Re: Do Your Children Use Their Voices?
    Posted by: "Ralph Fruguglietti" lily.dragon@verizon.net sfruguglietti2000
    Date: Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:43 am ((PST))

I liked reading some of your ideas.  I know my daughter's SPL has set up some programs for her and it helps - it just takes a while.  




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From: Randi Miller <rjmiller09@yahoo.com>
To: DeafHOH-Adoption@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, January 24, 2010 3:42:10 AM
Subject: Re: [DeafHOH-Adoption] Do Your Children Use Their Voices?

 
Greetings,
I am a speech therapist and I work in a day school program for the deaf/HOH.  I know that deaf kids are not quiet kids.  Has your daughter's  SLP at school worked on tactile cues, having her feel her own larynx when she voices and then when she doesn't?  If not , she (SLP) could work on awareness of voice on/voice off and the techniques for self-monitoring.  Perhaps a behavior modification technique (for you to use) using rewards could help as well. Find something very motivating for her and introduce the program to help her. Perhaps make a chart or keep a binder, and for every time she requests appropriately without screeching, give her a point.  After a set number of points, give her the reward.  Teens are motivated by special food they normally don't get, money, etc.      In my middle school, I have each of my deaf students sign a contract with me at the beginning of the school year. (I keep a composition book like you find at WalMart
for writing).  They write down all my requirements of the contract so they know what is expected of them, and this way I can always go back and show them "but look, you signed this...)  I ask what their favorite soda and chips are.  They have to come to speech on their own for each session, use their voice, be respectful, etc. Then they sign the contract if they want to work towards the chips/soda. After the end of the 6 weeks period, if they have held up their end of the contract, they come to my room at the end of the day and collect! You would be amazed what these kids will do for a bag of Takis chips, or Lays, or whatever!! I also reward them if they make the honor roll (1 bag of chips, one can of pop).

Also, you could do role playing, as well as ask the school SLP to help you in this area by having her role play in group therapy.  I do communication classes for social language skills, for "right" and "wrong" conversation/ behaviors.  We role play these and they become very familiar with pragmatic/social language, so they don't have an excuse when I see them doing inappropriate behaviors/conversat ion unless they are choosing to.  As we know, deaf kids "see it" and "say it" and they can seem very rude to hearing people, who don't understand deafness.

Just a few ideas, and maybe you have already tried these.

 

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From: fivekidswdisabiliti es <5kidswdisabilities@ gmail.com>
To: DeafHOH-Adoption@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 6:23:05 PM
Subject: [DeafHOH-Adoption] Do Your Children Use Their Voices?

 
I have a daughter who is profoundly deaf, adopted at the age of 7. She has never talked, but screeches when she wants something. It is a high pitched screech like nails on a chalkboard. She has had speech therapy which has not helped. She is in a school with students and teachers who are deaf, so they do not hear her voice, so it does not bother them. I try to tell her to "turn her voice down" but she seems to have no control over it. Other than that, she is a perfectly "normal" 13 year old who is fluent in ASL. Does anyone else have this situation?
Lindsey Petersen
http://5kidswdisabilities.wordpress.com

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1b. Re: Do Your Children Use Their Voices?
    Posted by: "amy wood" woodmillera@yahoo.com woodmillera
    Date: Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:52 am ((PST))

A little to sensitive to the topic, Liz.  Children and people are compared to animals allll the time.  "My children, are behaving like monkeys!"  "Please stop dragging your feet...youre walking at a snails pace!"
"The children's voices sound like little birds."  "I had the worst headache today, my children were as loud as elephants!"   Least not forget according to Darwin, not my belief, we are only but mere animals anyway.   And the problems with learning their natural language as the main reason why these children are prevent from gaining an education is only slightly simplistic.  There are at least 20 contributing reasons why deaf children receive poor educations. 


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From: "lizbrading@comcast.net" <lizbrading@comcast.net>
To: DeafHOH-Adoption@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, January 24, 2010 8:57:17 AM
Subject: Re: [DeafHOH-Adoption] Re: Do Your Children Use Their Voices?

 
Hello-

It saddens me to see discussions of comparing deaf children to animals. They are not animals, but wonderful human beings who are prevented from learning their natural language (sign language) and are let down by the current oralism system.

Liz

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From: "ColleenH" <cibisylvan@yahoo. com>
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 04:41:17
To: <DeafHOH-Adoption@ yahoogroups. com>
Subject: [DeafHOH-Adoption] Re: Do Your Children Use Their Voices?

Our daughter is VERY LOUD, when she doesn't have her hearing aids in.  She sounds like a herd of elephants when she goes up and down the steps and just makes noises when she is moving about.  She isn't aware she's making loud noise without her hearing aids until we cue her into it.

Colleen

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> I have a daughter who is profoundly deaf, adopted at the age of 7.  She has never talked, but screeches when she wants something.  It is a high pitched screech like nails on a chalkboard.  She has had speech therapy which has not helped.  She is in a school with students and teachers who are deaf, so they do not hear her voice, so it does not bother them.  I try to tell her to "turn her voice down" but she seems to have no control over it.  Other than that, she is a perfectly "normal" 13 year old who is fluent in ASL.  Does anyone else have this situation?
> Lindsey Petersen
> http://5kidswdisabilities.wordpress.com
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1c. Re: Do Your Children Use Their Voices?
    Posted by: "Ralph Fruguglietti" lily.dragon@verizon.net sfruguglietti2000
    Date: Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:02 am ((PST))

    I work on my deaf daughter using an appropriate voice level - same as I did with my older  hearing daughter.  MY deaf daughter has a CI and can hear very well - actually her hearing is better than mine.  With reminders, she can distinguish between different levels of volume.   As a parent of any child, it is important to me that my children behave appropriately when out in public.  We tend to cut my deaf daughter more slack, because I do realize it is more challenging for her.   I do not do it, out of disrespect for her language or deafness; but because we all need to grow into responsible adults, following rules of society such as driving on the right hand side of the road or keeping noise to certain level when dining out in restaurants.
    We also eat out with deaf adults, and I have never observed them being unusually loud; so my assumption is at some point, they were either taught or learn this behavior.  However I do respect that it must be different to regulate your volume when you cannot hear it.  I try to constantly be aware of this, in regards with my deaf daughter. 




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From: Angelica Martinez <ilyangelica@yahoo.com>
To: DeafHOH-Adoption@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, January 23, 2010 2:17:11 PM
Subject: Re: [DeafHOH-Adoption] Do Your Children Use Their Voices?

 
I am sorry if I am blunt with you all.  We're deaf...we can't hear..therefore, we don't know how to turn down our voice.  Learn our language so that we don't have to screech for your attention.

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From: fivekidswdisabiliti es <5kidswdisabilities@ gmail.com>
Subject: [DeafHOH-Adoption] Do Your Children Use Their Voices?
To: DeafHOH-Adoption@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 5:23 PM

 

I have a daughter who is profoundly deaf, adopted at the age of 7. She has never talked, but screeches when she wants something. It is a high pitched screech like nails on a chalkboard. She has had speech therapy which has not helped. She is in a school with students and teachers who are deaf, so they do not hear her voice, so it does not bother them. I try to tell her to "turn her voice down" but she seems to have no control over it. Other than that, she is a perfectly "normal" 13 year old who is fluent in ASL. Does anyone else have this situation?

Lindsey Petersen

http://5kidswdisabi lities.wordpress .com

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1d. Re: Do Your Children Use Their Voices?
    Posted by: "jantex4@yahoo.com" jantex4@yahoo.com jantex4
    Date: Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:24 am ((PST))

Volume control is, for the most part, taught. I don't know how old your deaf daughter is, but there comes a time when every adolescent abhores attention being drawn to them. This is part of the learning process for all children-not just deaf. As an educator of the deaf, I must say that we strive for "inside voice" when we can. In a classroom of several different hearing levels, this is needed! I also have a LOT of deaf freinds, and getting together with them in public or private is NEVER quiet-appropriate or not!! Nor is getting together with other deaf educators!! Most deaf who 'get together' aren't worried about being quiet. If you think about it, loud and quiet just are not part of their worlds! The deaf adults you have NEVER experienced being loud are not the norm. Even with my CI kids, controlling their volume just isn't important-especially when they are excited!
You need to be focussed on the fact that your daughter is willing to use her voice, and is not " embarrassed that it sounds different from others and hearing people will make fun of her!" Concentrate on encouraging that, not discouraging! The rest will come with time.
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From: Ralph Fruguglietti <lily.dragon@verizon.net>
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:02:14
To: <DeafHOH-Adoption@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [DeafHOH-Adoption] Do Your Children Use Their Voices?

    I work on my deaf daughter using an appropriate voice level - same as I did with my older  hearing daughter.  MY deaf daughter has a CI and can hear very well - actually her hearing is better than mine.  With reminders, she can distinguish between different levels of volume.   As a parent of any child, it is important to me that my children behave appropriately when out in public.  We tend to cut my deaf daughter more slack, because I do realize it is more challenging for her.   I do not do it, out of disrespect for her language or deafness; but because we all need to grow into responsible adults, following rules of society such as driving on the right hand side of the road or keeping noise to certain level when dining out in restaurants.
    We also eat out with deaf adults, and I have never observed them being unusually loud; so my assumption is at some point, they were either taught or learn this behavior.  However I do respect that it must be different to regulate your volume when you cannot hear it.  I try to constantly be aware of this, in regards with my deaf daughter. 




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From: Angelica Martinez <ilyangelica@yahoo.com>
To: DeafHOH-Adoption@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, January 23, 2010 2:17:11 PM
Subject: Re: [DeafHOH-Adoption] Do Your Children Use Their Voices?

 
I am sorry if I am blunt with you all.  We're deaf...we can't hear..therefore, we don't know how to turn down our voice.  Learn our language so that we don't have to screech for your attention.

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From: fivekidswdisabiliti es <5kidswdisabilities@ gmail.com>
Subject: [DeafHOH-Adoption] Do Your Children Use Their Voices?
To: DeafHOH-Adoption@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 5:23 PM

 

I have a daughter who is profoundly deaf, adopted at the age of 7. She has never talked, but screeches when she wants something. It is a high pitched screech like nails on a chalkboard. She has had speech therapy which has not helped. She is in a school with students and teachers who are deaf, so they do not hear her voice, so it does not bother them. I try to tell her to "turn her voice down" but she seems to have no control over it. Other than that, she is a perfectly "normal" 13 year old who is fluent in ASL. Does anyone else have this situation?

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1e. Re: Do Your Children Use Their Voices?
    Posted by: "jantex4@yahoo.com" jantex4@yahoo.com jantex4
    Date: Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:24 am ((PST))

Volume control is, for the most part, taught. I don't know how old your deaf daughter is, but there comes a time when every adolescent abhores attention being drawn to them. This is part of the learning process for all children-not just deaf. As an educator of the deaf, I must say that we strive for "inside voice" when we can. In a classroom of several different hearing levels, this is needed! I also have a LOT of deaf freinds, and getting together with them in public or private is NEVER quiet-appropriate or not!! Nor is getting together with other deaf educators!! Most deaf who 'get together' aren't worried about being quiet. If you think about it, loud and quiet just are not part of their worlds! The deaf adults you have NEVER experienced being loud are not the norm. Even with my CI kids, controlling their volume just isn't important-especially when they are excited!
You need to be focussed on the fact that your daughter is willing to use her voice, and is not " embarrassed that it sounds different from others and hearing people will make fun of her!" Concentrate on encouraging that, not discouraging! The rest will come with time.
Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

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From: Ralph Fruguglietti <lily.dragon@verizon.net>
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:02:14
To: <DeafHOH-Adoption@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [DeafHOH-Adoption] Do Your Children Use Their Voices?

    I work on my deaf daughter using an appropriate voice level - same as I did with my older  hearing daughter.  MY deaf daughter has a CI and can hear very well - actually her hearing is better than mine.  With reminders, she can distinguish between different levels of volume.   As a parent of any child, it is important to me that my children behave appropriately when out in public.  We tend to cut my deaf daughter more slack, because I do realize it is more challenging for her.   I do not do it, out of disrespect for her language or deafness; but because we all need to grow into responsible adults, following rules of society such as driving on the right hand side of the road or keeping noise to certain level when dining out in restaurants.
    We also eat out with deaf adults, and I have never observed them being unusually loud; so my assumption is at some point, they were either taught or learn this behavior.  However I do respect that it must be different to regulate your volume when you cannot hear it.  I try to constantly be aware of this, in regards with my deaf daughter. 




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From: Angelica Martinez <ilyangelica@yahoo.com>
To: DeafHOH-Adoption@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, January 23, 2010 2:17:11 PM
Subject: Re: [DeafHOH-Adoption] Do Your Children Use Their Voices?

 
I am sorry if I am blunt with you all.  We're deaf...we can't hear..therefore, we don't know how to turn down our voice.  Learn our language so that we don't have to screech for your attention.

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From: fivekidswdisabiliti es <5kidswdisabilities@ gmail.com>
Subject: [DeafHOH-Adoption] Do Your Children Use Their Voices?
To: DeafHOH-Adoption@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 5:23 PM

 

I have a daughter who is profoundly deaf, adopted at the age of 7. She has never talked, but screeches when she wants something. It is a high pitched screech like nails on a chalkboard. She has had speech therapy which has not helped. She is in a school with students and teachers who are deaf, so they do not hear her voice, so it does not bother them. I try to tell her to "turn her voice down" but she seems to have no control over it. Other than that, she is a perfectly "normal" 13 year old who is fluent in ASL. Does anyone else have this situation?

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1f. Re: Do Your Children Use Their Voices?
    Posted by: "Ralph Fruguglietti" lily.dragon@verizon.net sfruguglietti2000
    Date: Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:50 am ((PST))

I would agree that my daughter with a CI, volume control is not important when she is excited.  However that is a typical kid behavior and even adult. Has little to do with hearing or deaf.  Both my girls scream when excited - one is deaf, one is not.   I totally get that.   ANd there is a place for everything.  
    I am not saying my deaf friends are never loud...  I am saying they are not loud in restuarants, when we are dining together. 
    It sounds like you and I are on the same page.   I was even surprised to see you work on "inside voices" in your classroom of deaf students, same as a hearing teacher of hearing students.
    I do encourage my seven year old to use her voice and we talk about it alot.  I do not spend all my time, discouraging her from talking... nor have I ever said that hearing people would make fun of her.  I do not think she realizes she sounds different.  I do not think much about it either.....  my focus on more on appropriate volume level in given situations.  Home is much more relaxed than public places such as restuarants, stores, etc.    I do not like to constantly remind her of volume, because it does and will hinder her willingness to speak. 
    But in certain situations, I do feel it is my role to discuss talking and volume. I do the same with hearing kids.  We were at an outdoor playground and she was doing alot of yelling.  I noticed the girls she started to play with, moved away and she became upset, trying to follow them and yelling loudly to them. They continued moving away from her, each time she came close.  I called her over and explained, when you use a loud voice, it sometimes bothers other kids who are hearing.. it hurts their ears.   If you want to play with them, (and she did), you need to use a quieter voice.  (She & I signed this conversation and I asked her if she wanted me to talk with the girls since her English isn't clear).    Once I quickly explained to the girls, she was deaf and sometimes doesn't realize she is loud, but to just tap her shoulder when she is being loud and tell her; they ended up playing very nicely together for some time... and had normal
moments of kid noiseness and loudness. 




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From: "jantex4@yahoo.com" <jantex4@yahoo.com>
To: DeafHOH-Adoption@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 11:26:10 AM
Subject: Re: [DeafHOH-Adoption] Do Your Children Use Their Voices?

 
Volume control is, for the most part, taught. I don't know how old your deaf daughter is, but there comes a time when every adolescent abhores attention being drawn to them. This is part of the learning process for all children-not just deaf. As an educator of the deaf, I must say that we strive for "inside voice" when we can. In a classroom of several different hearing levels, this is needed! I also have a LOT of deaf freinds, and getting together with them in public or private is NEVER quiet-appropriate or not!! Nor is getting together with other deaf educators!! Most deaf who 'get together' aren't worried about being quiet. If you think about it, loud and quiet just are not part of their worlds! The deaf adults you have NEVER experienced being loud are not the norm. Even with my CI kids, controlling their volume just isn't important-especiall y when they are excited!
You need to be focussed on the fact that your daughter is willing to use her voice, and is not " embarrassed that it sounds different from others and hearing people will make fun of her!" Concentrate on encouraging that, not discouraging! The rest will come with time.
Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

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From: Ralph Fruguglietti <lily.dragon@ verizon.net>
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:02:14
To: <DeafHOH-Adoption@ yahoogroups. com>
Subject: Re: [DeafHOH-Adoption] Do Your Children Use Their Voices?

    I work on my deaf daughter using an appropriate voice level - same as I did with my older  hearing daughter.  MY deaf daughter has a CI and can hear very well - actually her hearing is better than mine.  With reminders, she can distinguish between different levels of volume.   As a parent of any child, it is important to me that my children behave appropriately when out in public.  We tend to cut my deaf daughter more slack, because I do realize it is more challenging for her.   I do not do it, out of disrespect for her language or deafness; but because we all need to grow into responsible adults, following rules of society such as driving on the right hand side of the road or keeping noise to certain level when dining out in restaurants.
    We also eat out with deaf adults, and I have never observed them being unusually loud; so my assumption is at some point, they were either taught or learn this behavior.  However I do respect that it must be different to regulate your volume when you cannot hear it.  I try to constantly be aware of this, in regards with my deaf daughter. 




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From: Angelica Martinez <ilyangelica@ yahoo.com>
To: DeafHOH-Adoption@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sat, January 23, 2010 2:17:11 PM
Subject: Re: [DeafHOH-Adoption] Do Your Children Use Their Voices?

 
I am sorry if I am blunt with you all.  We're deaf...we can't hear..therefore, we don't know how to turn down our voice.  Learn our language so that we don't have to screech for your attention.

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From: fivekidswdisabiliti es <5kidswdisabilities @ gmail.com>
Subject: [DeafHOH-Adoption] Do Your Children Use Their Voices?
To: DeafHOH-Adoption@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 5:23 PM

 

I have a daughter who is profoundly deaf, adopted at the age of 7. She has never talked, but screeches when she wants something. It is a high pitched screech like nails on a chalkboard. She has had speech therapy which has not helped. She is in a school with students and teachers who are deaf, so they do not hear her voice, so it does not bother them. I try to tell her to "turn her voice down" but she seems to have no control over it. Other than that, she is a perfectly "normal" 13 year old who is fluent in ASL. Does anyone else have this situation?

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1g. Re: Do Your Children Use Their Voices?
    Posted by: "lizbrading@comcast.net" lizbrading@comcast.net elizabethbrading
    Date: Mon Jan 25, 2010 12:26 pm ((PST))

Amy-

I agree with you about Darwin and that it is natural for kids to make noises. If this is the case, why make a big issue of deaf children screeching etc?  The recent discussions make it sound like it is a big problem and that there is something wrong with them.  We need to think about the root of it all which is oralism. 

Yeah, there are many reasons why there is poor deaf education but the main reason is oralism which prevents proper language/cognitive development - this trumps it all.  It should be simple for all deaf kids to learn sign language from birth but the current system makes it all very complicated with the different communication methods, failing these children.  They are perfectly normal children and represent a minority that contributes to the wonderful diverse population we have on this earth. But, as it currently stands, the world oppresses deaf people, making them inferior and limting their role in society.  In general, hearing people want deaf people to be like them just like white people had wanted Aborigines, native Americans, Maoris to conform to their ways.

Yes, as a deaf adult, I am passionate just like MLK was about his people.

Cheers,
Liz

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From: amy wood <woodmillera@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 07:52:34
To: <DeafHOH-Adoption@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [DeafHOH-Adoption] Re: Do Your Children Use Their Voices?

A little to sensitive to the topic, Liz.  Children and people are compared to animals allll the time.  "My children, are behaving like monkeys!"  "Please stop dragging your feet...youre walking at a snails pace!"
"The children's voices sound like little birds."  "I had the worst headache today, my children were as loud as elephants!"   Least not forget according to Darwin, not my belief, we are only but mere animals anyway.   And the problems with learning their natural language as the main reason why these children are prevent from gaining an education is only slightly simplistic.  There are at least 20 contributing reasons why deaf children receive poor educations. 


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From: "lizbrading@comcast.net" <lizbrading@comcast.net>
To: DeafHOH-Adoption@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, January 24, 2010 8:57:17 AM
Subject: Re: [DeafHOH-Adoption] Re: Do Your Children Use Their Voices?

 
Hello-

It saddens me to see discussions of comparing deaf children to animals. They are not animals, but wonderful human beings who are prevented from learning their natural language (sign language) and are let down by the current oralism system.

Liz

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From: "ColleenH" <cibisylvan@yahoo. com>
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 04:41:17
To: <DeafHOH-Adoption@ yahoogroups. com>
Subject: [DeafHOH-Adoption] Re: Do Your Children Use Their Voices?

Our daughter is VERY LOUD, when she doesn't have her hearing aids in.  She sounds like a herd of elephants when she goes up and down the steps and just makes noises when she is moving about.  She isn't aware she's making loud noise without her hearing aids until we cue her into it.

Colleen

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> I have a daughter who is profoundly deaf, adopted at the age of 7.  She has never talked, but screeches when she wants something.  It is a high pitched screech like nails on a chalkboard.  She has had speech therapy which has not helped.  She is in a school with students and teachers who are deaf, so they do not hear her voice, so it does not bother them.  I try to tell her to "turn her voice down" but she seems to have no control over it.  Other than that, she is a perfectly "normal" 13 year old who is fluent in ASL.  Does anyone else have this situation?
> Lindsey Petersen
> http://5kidswdisabilities.wordpress.com
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1h. Re: Do Your Children Use Their Voices?
    Posted by: "Eileen Bassiri" fyziksgirl@yahoo.com fyziksgirl
    Date: Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:38 pm ((PST))

I agree that too much focus on oralism is detrimental and often the cause for the things you're talking about, but I also DO think it is important for deaf kids to learn voice modulation, if for no other reason than because not having it makes it harder for them to get along in the rest of the world. Most people in the US do not know a lot about deafness, and when they hear a "deaf voice" often assume the person is less intelligent than they really are. Is that fair? No, not at all, and it's the job of people who do know better to spread awareness and explain to them. But that awareness has not yet spread to most of the country, and I would not want my deaf students to be automatically thought of as unintelligent because they were never taught appropriate times to turn off their voice. Because of this, we taught them to be aware of when they were voicing, and aware of times when that would be unacceptable (i.e. in a mainstream classroom while working, at
church, etc.). We also taught them to take pride in their signing, and that if their voice was not beneficial to communication there was no need to turn it on while they were talking.

I don't think that that is detrimental or looking down on deaf kids or people at all. I think it is giving them the tools they need to be able to fit into hearing society, even while being proud of their deafness. Obviously it can be approached in a negative way, but that doesn't mean it has to be.

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From: lizbrading@comcast.net <lizbrading@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [DeafHOH-Adoption] Re: Do Your Children Use Their Voices?
To: DeafHOH-Adoption@yahoogroups.com
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      Amy-



I agree with you about Darwin and that it is natural for kids to make noises. If this is the case, why make a big issue of deaf children screeching etc?  The recent discussions make it sound like it is a big problem and that there is something wrong with them.  We need to think about the root of it all which is oralism. 



Yeah, there are many reasons why there is poor deaf education but the main reason is oralism which prevents proper language/cognitive development - this trumps it all.  It should be simple for all deaf kids to learn sign language from birth but the current system makes it all very complicated with the different communication methods, failing these children.  They are perfectly normal children and represent a minority that contributes to the wonderful diverse population we have on this earth. But, as it currently stands, the world oppresses deaf people, making them inferior and limting their role in society.  In general, hearing people want deaf people to be like them just like white people had wanted Aborigines, native Americans, Maoris to conform to their ways.



Yes, as a deaf adult, I am passionate just like MLK was about his people.



Cheers,

Liz



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-----Original Message-----

From: amy wood <woodmillera@ yahoo.com>

Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 07:52:34

To: <DeafHOH-Adoption@ yahoogroups. com>

Subject: Re: [DeafHOH-Adoption] Re: Do Your Children Use Their Voices?



A little to sensitive to the topic, Liz.  Children and people are compared to animals allll the time.  "My children, are behaving like monkeys!"  "Please stop dragging your feet...youre walking at a snails pace!"

"The children's voices sound like little birds."  "I had the worst headache today, my children were as loud as elephants!"   Least not forget according to Darwin, not my belief, we are only but mere animals anyway.   And the problems with learning their natural language as the main reason why these children are prevent from gaining an education is only slightly simplistic.  There are at least 20 contributing reasons why deaf children receive poor educations. 



____________ _________ _________ __

From: "lizbrading@comcast. net" <lizbrading@comcast. net>

To: DeafHOH-Adoption@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Sun, January 24, 2010 8:57:17 AM

Subject: Re: [DeafHOH-Adoption] Re: Do Your Children Use Their Voices?



Hello-



It saddens me to see discussions of comparing deaf children to animals. They are not animals, but wonderful human beings who are prevented from learning their natural language (sign language) and are let down by the current oralism system.



Liz



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-----Original Message-----

From: "ColleenH" <cibisylvan@ yahoo. com>

Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 04:41:17

To: <DeafHOH-Adoption@ yahoogroups. com>

Subject: [DeafHOH-Adoption] Re: Do Your Children Use Their Voices?



Our daughter is VERY LOUD, when she doesn't have her hearing aids in.  She sounds like a herd of elephants when she goes up and down the steps and just makes noises when she is moving about.  She isn't aware she's making loud noise without her hearing aids until we cue her into it.



Colleen



--- In DeafHOH-Adoption@ yahoogroups. com, "fivekidswdisabilit ies" <5kidswdisabilities @...> wrote:

>

> I have a daughter who is profoundly deaf, adopted at the age of 7.  She has never talked, but screeches when she wants something.  It is a high pitched screech like nails on a chalkboard.  She has had speech therapy which has not helped.  She is in a school with students and teachers who are deaf, so they do not hear her voice, so it does not bother them.  I try to tell her to "turn her voice down" but she seems to have no control over it.  Other than that, she is a perfectly "normal" 13 year old who is fluent in ASL.  Does anyone else have this situation?

> Lindsey Petersen

> http://5kidswdisabi lities.wordpress .com

>



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1i. Re: Do Your Children Use Their Voices?
    Posted by: "Lindsey Petersen" 5kidswdisabilities@gmail.com fivekidswdisabilities
    Date: Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:48 pm ((PST))

*This is exactly what I was wondering when I posed this initial question.
My daughter, who is very intelligent, screeches at the top of her lungs
anytime she has something to say, (she gets our attention so we look at her
to see what she is signing.)  She does it at times when hearing children
shouldn't be talking either, such as when we are in church, etc.  She goes
to a school for the deaf so they do  not work on voice. I was asking how
other families handle this...  *
*PS.  My daughter is not disabled and leads a full life, so we are not in
any way discriminating against her because she is deaf.  *
*Lindsey Petersen*
http://5kidswdisabilities.wordpress.com


On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Eileen Bassiri <fyziksgirl@yahoo.com>wrote:

>
>
> I agree that too much focus on oralism is detrimental and often the cause
> for the things you're talking about, but I also DO think it is important for
> deaf kids to learn voice modulation, if for no other reason than because not
> having it makes it harder for them to get along in the rest of the world.
> Most people in the US do not know a lot about deafness, and when they hear a
> "deaf voice" often assume the person is less intelligent than they really
> are. Is that fair? No, not at all, and it's the job of people who do know
> better to spread awareness and explain to them. But that awareness has not
> yet spread to most of the country, and I would not want my deaf students to
> be automatically thought of as unintelligent because they were never taught
> appropriate times to turn off their voice. Because of this, we taught them
> to be aware of when they were voicing, and aware of times when that would be
> unacceptable (i.e. in a mainstream classroom while working, at
> church, etc.). We also taught them to take pride in their signing, and that
> if their voice was not beneficial to communication there was no need to turn
> it on while they were talking.
>
> I don't think that that is detrimental or looking down on deaf kids or
> people at all. I think it is giving them the tools they need to be able to
> fit into hearing society, even while being proud of their deafness.
> Obviously it can be approached in a negative way, but that doesn't mean it
> has to be.
>
>
> Liz
>
>
>


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1j. Re: Do Your Children Use Their Voices?
    Posted by: "Jillian Anderson" asl_blueeyes@yahoo.com asl_blueeyes
    Date: Mon Jan 25, 2010 3:22 pm ((PST))

One of my sons does it for stimulation. He can feel it and does it on purpose. he knows when his voice is on or off, even though he cant hear it.

jillian
 www.familyrootedinlove.blogspot.com




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From: Angelica Martinez <ilyangelica@yahoo.com>
To: DeafHOH-Adoption@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, January 23, 2010 2:17:11 PM
Subject: Re: [DeafHOH-Adoption] Do Your Children Use Their Voices?

 
I am sorry if I am blunt with you all.  We're deaf...we can't hear..therefore, we don't know how to turn down our voice.  Learn our language so that we don't have to screech for your attention.

--- On Fri, 1/22/10, fivekidswdisabiliti es <5kidswdisabilities@ gmail.com> wrote:

From: fivekidswdisabiliti es <5kidswdisabilities@ gmail.com>
Subject: [DeafHOH-Adoption] Do Your Children Use Their Voices?
To: DeafHOH-Adoption@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 5:23 PM

 

I have a daughter who is profoundly deaf, adopted at the age of 7. She has never talked, but screeches when she wants something. It is a high pitched screech like nails on a chalkboard. She has had speech therapy which has not helped. She is in a school with students and teachers who are deaf, so they do not hear her voice, so it does not bother them. I try to tell her to "turn her voice down" but she seems to have no control over it. Other than that, she is a perfectly "normal" 13 year old who is fluent in ASL. Does anyone else have this situation?

Lindsey Petersen

http://5kidswdisabi lities.wordpress .com

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1k. Re: Do Your Children Use Their Voices?
    Posted by: "amy wood" woodmillera@yahoo.com woodmillera
    Date: Mon Jan 25, 2010 5:10 pm ((PST))

What part of the country are you in?  If you are wanting to move to Prescott AZ there is an opening for a fluent deaf ed teacher for the school district. Its stimulus money.  It says, "contingent on funding."  But that refers to the task that if they hire someone,  they are then required to hire them with district money.At the age of 10 my son had , as reported by the speech path, 0 % expressive language and 0% intelligibility.  I had to drive 2.5 hours, one way, everyday to get my son a Deaf education. We went to Sequoia School DHOH.  Its a Bi-Bi program.  After two years of concept sign, he made a five year language gain.  He is now 15 and hasverbal English expressiveness of a six year old.  Unless he is in a deaf community, he will not sign.  He is moderate to severe one ear, severe to profound in the other ear.  Currently, he participates in an inclusion environment,with a deaf ed aide. 

Here is the job post    .http://prescottschools.com/job_postings_certified.  Or for anyone out there.  This district would like to cut its tie with ASDB because of the poor overall service.

Please someone apply.

amy



________________________________
From: Eileen Bassiri <fyziksgirl@yahoo.com>
To: DeafHOH-Adoption@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 1:39:35 PM
Subject: Re: [DeafHOH-Adoption] Re: Do Your Children Use Their Voices?

 
I agree that too much focus on oralism is detrimental and often the cause for the things you're talking about, but I also DO think it is important for deaf kids to learn voice modulation, if for no other reason than because not having it makes it harder for them to get along in the rest of the world. Most people in the US do not know a lot about deafness, and when they hear a "deaf voice" often assume the person is less intelligent than they really are. Is that fair? No, not at all, and it's the job of people who do know better to spread awareness and explain to them. But that awareness has not yet spread to most of the country, and I would not want my deaf students to be automatically thought of as unintelligent because they were never taught appropriate times to turn off their voice. Because of this, we taught them to be aware of when they were voicing, and aware of times when that would be unacceptable (i.e. in a mainstream classroom while working, at
church, etc.). We also taught them to take pride in their signing, and that if their voice was not beneficial to communication there was no need to turn it on while they were talking.

I don't think that that is detrimental or looking down on deaf kids or people at all. I think it is giving them the tools they need to be able to fit into hearing society, even while being proud of their deafness. Obviously it can be approached in a negative way, but that doesn't mean it has to be.

--- On Mon, 1/25/10, lizbrading@comcast. net <lizbrading@comcast. net> wrote:

From: lizbrading@comcast. net <lizbrading@comcast. net>
Subject: Re: [DeafHOH-Adoption] Re: Do Your Children Use Their Voices?
To: DeafHOH-Adoption@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 12:21 PM



Amy-

I agree with you about Darwin and that it is natural for kids to make noises. If this is the case, why make a big issue of deaf children screeching etc?  The recent discussions make it sound like it is a big problem and that there is something wrong with them.  We need to think about the root of it all which is oralism.

Yeah, there are many reasons why there is poor deaf education but the main reason is oralism which prevents proper language/cognitive development - this trumps it all.  It should be simple for all deaf kids to learn sign language from birth but the current system makes it all very complicated with the different communication methods, failing these children.  They are perfectly normal children and represent a minority that contributes to the wonderful diverse population we have on this earth. But, as it currently stands, the world oppresses deaf people, making them inferior and limting their role in society.  In general, hearing people want deaf people to be like them just like white people had wanted Aborigines, native Americans, Maoris to conform to their ways.

Yes, as a deaf adult, I am passionate just like MLK was about his people.

Cheers,

Liz

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-----Original Message-----

From: amy wood <woodmillera@ yahoo.com>

Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 07:52:34

To: <DeafHOH-Adoption@ yahoogroups. com>

Subject: Re: [DeafHOH-Adoption] Re: Do Your Children Use Their Voices?

A little to sensitive to the topic, Liz.  Children and people are compared to animals allll the time.  "My children, are behaving like monkeys!"  "Please stop dragging your feet...youre walking at a snails pace!"

"The children's voices sound like little birds."  "I had the worst headache today, my children were as loud as elephants!"   Least not forget according to Darwin, not my belief, we are only but mere animals anyway.   And the problems with learning their natural language as the main reason why these children are prevent from gaining an education is only slightly simplistic.  There are at least 20 contributing reasons why deaf children receive poor educations.

____________ _________ _________ __

From: "lizbrading@ comcast. net" <lizbrading@ comcast. net>

To: DeafHOH-Adoption@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Sun, January 24, 2010 8:57:17 AM

Subject: Re: [DeafHOH-Adoption] Re: Do Your Children Use Their Voices?

Hello-

It saddens me to see discussions of comparing deaf children to animals. They are not animals, but wonderful human beings who are prevented from learning their natural language (sign language) and are let down by the current oralism system.

Liz

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-----Original Message-----

From: "ColleenH" <cibisylvan@ yahoo. com>

Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 04:41:17

To: <DeafHOH-Adoption@ yahoogroups. com>

Subject: [DeafHOH-Adoption] Re: Do Your Children Use Their Voices?

Our daughter is VERY LOUD, when she doesn't have her hearing aids in.  She sounds like a herd of elephants when she goes up and down the steps and just makes noises when she is moving about.  She isn't aware she's making loud noise without her hearing aids until we cue her into it.

Colleen

--- In DeafHOH-Adoption@ yahoogroups. com, "fivekidswdisabilit ies" <5kidswdisabilities @...> wrote:

>

> I have a daughter who is profoundly deaf, adopted at the age of 7.  She has never talked, but screeches when she wants something.  It is a high pitched screech like nails on a chalkboard.  She has had speech therapy which has not helped.  She is in a school with students and teachers who are deaf, so they do not hear her voice, so it does not bother them.  I try to tell her to "turn her voice down" but she seems to have no control over it.  Other than that, she is a perfectly "normal" 13 year old who is fluent in ASL.  Does anyone else have this situation?

> Lindsey Petersen

> http://5kidswdisabi lities.wordpress .com

>

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1l. Re: Do Your Children Use Their Voices?
    Posted by: "amy wood" woodmillera@yahoo.com woodmillera
    Date: Mon Jan 25, 2010 5:18 pm ((PST))

I see that my link did not work on my last post, so Ive copied and pasted the job post.  Some please consider this job.

  Return to Human Resources Home Page
Prescott Unified School District No. 1
Certified Employment Postings
New hires will be responsible for costs incurred to complete fingerprint and background investigation. There will be a 2-3 week waiting period for any
applicant hired while a background check is completed. Position(s) are posted in accordance with the Governing Board approved hiring review procedures.
________________________________________________________________________________

Prescott Unified School District is an Equal Opportunity Employer.
Prescott Unified School District provides a non-smoking environment for its employees.
NSE (Per City of Prescott Code 7-3-B)
________________________________________________________________________________

New positions are posted as they become available

Certified Positions Available
Updated on January 20, 2010 10:00 a.m.
Teaching candidates must be Highly Qualified  under NCLB guidelines,  possess a valid and appropriate Arizona certificate
AND a valid Arizona Department of Public Safety Fingerprint Clearance Card prior to employment.


CERTIFIED POSTINGS FOR THE 2009/2010 SCHOOL YEAR
To apply, submit a letter of interest, resume and completed certified application to the Human Resources Department
Deadline to apply for certified positions:  OPEN UNTIL FILLED unless otherwise stated.

DISTRICT-WIDE POSITIONS
                Half-time Sign Language Teacher. Must be fluent in American Sign Language and possess an Arizona Teaching certificate   (this position is for the remainder of the 2009/2010 school year and is contingent upon continued receipt of outside funding)
                               
NORTHPOINT EXPEDITIONARY LEARNING ACADEMY
                 1 Part-time Nurse (RN certification required 20 hour per week beginning)
ADMINISTRATIVE POSTINGS FOR THE 2010/2011 SCHOOL YEAR
To apply, submit a letter of interest, resume and completed administrative application to the Human Resources Department
                Assistant Superintendent for Human Resources – 12 month position, must possess Arizona Superintendent Certificate. Position begins on or about July 1, 2010.  Salary range $66,445- $74,784 DOE.  Deadline to apply for this position:  March 11, 2010

CERTIFIED POSTINGS FOR THE 2010/2011 SCHOOL YEAR
To apply, submit a letter of interest, resume and completed certified application to the Human Resources Department
Deadline to apply for certified positions:  OPEN UNTIL FILLED unless otherwise stated.

                2 Full-time Speech Therapists

COACHING POSITIONS FOR THE 2010/2011 SCHOOL YEAR
To apply, submit a coaching application to the Human Resources Department
Deadline to apply for coaching positions:  OPEN UNTIL FILLED unless otherwise stated.

                Prescott Mile High Middle School -7/8th Grade Head Football Coach
               Prescott High School – Head Golf Coach
Applications are available in PUSD HR or on-line at www.prescottschools.com.
 
To apply, submit a letter of interest, resume and completed certified application to the Human Resources Department.
Deadline to apply for the above positions: OPEN UNTIL FILLED unless otherwise stated.
Applications are available in PUSD HR or on-line at



________________________________
From: Eileen Bassiri <fyziksgirl@yahoo.com>
To: DeafHOH-Adoption@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 1:39:35 PM
Subject: Re: [DeafHOH-Adoption] Re: Do Your Children Use Their Voices?

 
I agree that too much focus on oralism is detrimental and often the cause for the things you're talking about, but I also DO think it is important for deaf kids to learn voice modulation, if for no other reason than because not having it makes it harder for them to get along in the rest of the world. Most people in the US do not know a lot about deafness, and when they hear a "deaf voice" often assume the person is less intelligent than they really are. Is that fair? No, not at all, and it's the job of people who do know better to spread awareness and explain to them. But that awareness has not yet spread to most of the country, and I would not want my deaf students to be automatically thought of as unintelligent because they were never taught appropriate times to turn off their voice. Because of this, we taught them to be aware of when they were voicing, and aware of times when that would be unacceptable (i.e. in a mainstream classroom while working, at
church, etc.). We also taught them to take pride in their signing, and that if their voice was not beneficial to communication there was no need to turn it on while they were talking.

I don't think that that is detrimental or looking down on deaf kids or people at all. I think it is giving them the tools they need to be able to fit into hearing society, even while being proud of their deafness. Obviously it can be approached in a negative way, but that doesn't mean it has to be.

--- On Mon, 1/25/10, lizbrading@comcast. net <lizbrading@comcast. net> wrote:

From: lizbrading@comcast. net <lizbrading@comcast. net>
Subject: Re: [DeafHOH-Adoption] Re: Do Your Children Use Their Voices?
To: DeafHOH-Adoption@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 12:21 PM



Amy-

I agree with you about Darwin and that it is natural for kids to make noises. If this is the case, why make a big issue of deaf children screeching etc?  The recent discussions make it sound like it is a big problem and that there is something wrong with them.  We need to think about the root of it all which is oralism.

Yeah, there are many reasons why there is poor deaf education but the main reason is oralism which prevents proper language/cognitive development - this trumps it all.  It should be simple for all deaf kids to learn sign language from birth but the current system makes it all very complicated with the different communication methods, failing these children.  They are perfectly normal children and represent a minority that contributes to the wonderful diverse population we have on this earth. But, as it currently stands, the world oppresses deaf people, making them inferior and limting their role in society.  In general, hearing people want deaf people to be like them just like white people had wanted Aborigines, native Americans, Maoris to conform to their ways.

Yes, as a deaf adult, I am passionate just like MLK was about his people.

Cheers,

Liz

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-----Original Message-----

From: amy wood <woodmillera@ yahoo.com>

Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 07:52:34

To: <DeafHOH-Adoption@ yahoogroups. com>

Subject: Re: [DeafHOH-Adoption] Re: Do Your Children Use Their Voices?

A little to sensitive to the topic, Liz.  Children and people are compared to animals allll the time.  "My children, are behaving like monkeys!"  "Please stop dragging your feet...youre walking at a snails pace!"

"The children's voices sound like little birds."  "I had the worst headache today, my children were as loud as elephants!"   Least not forget according to Darwin, not my belief, we are only but mere animals anyway.   And the problems with learning their natural language as the main reason why these children are prevent from gaining an education is only slightly simplistic.  There are at least 20 contributing reasons why deaf children receive poor educations.

____________ _________ _________ __

From: "lizbrading@ comcast. net" <lizbrading@ comcast. net>

To: DeafHOH-Adoption@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Sun, January 24, 2010 8:57:17 AM

Subject: Re: [DeafHOH-Adoption] Re: Do Your Children Use Their Voices?

Hello-

It saddens me to see discussions of comparing deaf children to animals. They are not animals, but wonderful human beings who are prevented from learning their natural language (sign language) and are let down by the current oralism system.

Liz

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-----Original Message-----

From: "ColleenH" <cibisylvan@ yahoo. com>

Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 04:41:17

To: <DeafHOH-Adoption@ yahoogroups. com>

Subject: [DeafHOH-Adoption] Re: Do Your Children Use Their Voices?

Our daughter is VERY LOUD, when she doesn't have her hearing aids in.  She sounds like a herd of elephants when she goes up and down the steps and just makes noises when she is moving about.  She isn't aware she's making loud noise without her hearing aids until we cue her into it.

Colleen

--- In DeafHOH-Adoption@ yahoogroups. com, "fivekidswdisabilit ies" <5kidswdisabilities @...> wrote:

>

> I have a daughter who is profoundly deaf, adopted at the age of 7.  She has never talked, but screeches when she wants something.  It is a high pitched screech like nails on a chalkboard.  She has had speech therapy which has not helped.  She is in a school with students and teachers who are deaf, so they do not hear her voice, so it does not bother them.  I try to tell her to "turn her voice down" but she seems to have no control over it.  Other than that, she is a perfectly "normal" 13 year old who is fluent in ASL.  Does anyone else have this situation?

> Lindsey Petersen

> http://5kidswdisabi lities.wordpress .com

>

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1m. Re: Do Your Children Use Their Voices?
    Posted by: "jantex4@yahoo.com" jantex4@yahoo.com jantex4
    Date: Mon Jan 25, 2010 5:26 pm ((PST))

I am not sure to whom this question was directed, but since mine was the only post I noticed to be from someone in education, I will respond. I am in Texas and very happy with my current job. We are allowed to use "any language neccessary to teach the child" and do. From the kids in my class, there are 6, only one is not mainstreamed for at least part of the day with an interpreter. And we have the full gammut-gestural with no comprehendable voice to ASL Deaf to signed English to a combo. there are times when we have all 6 in the room and there are 4 of us signing with one voicing at different levels of comprehension. Its great! Sorry! Hope someone fills your spot soon!
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-----Original Message-----
From: amy wood <woodmillera@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:05:32
To: <DeafHOH-Adoption@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [DeafHOH-Adoption] Re: Do Your Children Use Their Voices?

What part of the country are you in?  If you are wanting to move to Prescott AZ there is an opening for a fluent deaf ed teacher for the school district. Its stimulus money.  It says, "contingent on funding."  But that refers to the task that if they hire someone,  they are then required to hire them with district money.At the age of 10 my son had , as reported by the speech path, 0 % expressive language and 0% intelligibility.  I had to drive 2.5 hours, one way, everyday to get my son a Deaf education. We went to Sequoia School DHOH.  Its a Bi-Bi program.  After two years of concept sign, he made a five year language gain.  He is now 15 and hasverbal English expressiveness of a six year old.  Unless he is in a deaf community, he will not sign.  He is moderate to severe one ear, severe to profound in the other ear.  Currently, he participates in an inclusion environment,with a deaf ed aide. 

Here is the job post    .http://prescottschools.com/job_postings_certified.  Or for anyone out there.  This district would like to cut its tie with ASDB because of the poor overall service.

Please someone apply.

amy



________________________________
From: Eileen Bassiri <fyziksgirl@yahoo.com>
To: DeafHOH-Adoption@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 1:39:35 PM
Subject: Re: [DeafHOH-Adoption] Re: Do Your Children Use Their Voices?

 
I agree that too much focus on oralism is detrimental and often the cause for the things you're talking about, but I also DO think it is important for deaf kids to learn voice modulation, if for no other reason than because not having it makes it harder for them to get along in the rest of the world. Most people in the US do not know a lot about deafness, and when they hear a "deaf voice" often assume the person is less intelligent than they really are. Is that fair? No, not at all, and it's the job of people who do know better to spread awareness and explain to them. But that awareness has not yet spread to most of the country, and I would not want my deaf students to be automatically thought of as unintelligent because they were never taught appropriate times to turn off their voice. Because of this, we taught them to be aware of when they were voicing, and aware of times when that would be unacceptable (i.e. in a mainstream classroom while working, at
church, etc.). We also taught them to take pride in their signing, and that if their voice was not beneficial to communication there was no need to turn it on while they were talking.

I don't think that that is detrimental or looking down on deaf kids or people at all. I think it is giving them the tools they need to be able to fit into hearing society, even while being proud of their deafness. Obviously it can be approached in a negative way, but that doesn't mean it has to be.

--- On Mon, 1/25/10, lizbrading@comcast. net <lizbrading@comcast. net> wrote:

From: lizbrading@comcast. net <lizbrading@comcast. net>
Subject: Re: [DeafHOH-Adoption] Re: Do Your Children Use Their Voices?
To: DeafHOH-Adoption@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 12:21 PM



Amy-

I agree with you about Darwin and that it is natural for kids to make noises. If this is the case, why make a big issue of deaf children screeching etc?  The recent discussions make it sound like it is a big problem and that there is something wrong with them.  We need to think about the root of it all which is oralism.

Yeah, there are many reasons why there is poor deaf education but the main reason is oralism which prevents proper language/cognitive development - this trumps it all.  It should be simple for all deaf kids to learn sign language from birth but the current system makes it all very complicated with the different communication methods, failing these children.  They are perfectly normal children and represent a minority that contributes to the wonderful diverse population we have on this earth. But, as it currently stands, the world oppresses deaf people, making them inferior and limting their role in society.  In general, hearing people want deaf people to be like them just like white people had wanted Aborigines, native Americans, Maoris to conform to their ways.

Yes, as a deaf adult, I am passionate just like MLK was about his people.

Cheers,

Liz

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-----Original Message-----

From: amy wood <woodmillera@ yahoo.com>

Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 07:52:34

To: <DeafHOH-Adoption@ yahoogroups. com>

Subject: Re: [DeafHOH-Adoption] Re: Do Your Children Use Their Voices?

A little to sensitive to the topic, Liz.  Children and people are compared to animals allll the time.  "My children, are behaving like monkeys!"  "Please stop dragging your feet...youre walking at a snails pace!"

"The children's voices sound like little birds."  "I had the worst headache today, my children were as loud as elephants!"   Least not forget according to Darwin, not my belief, we are only but mere animals anyway.   And the problems with learning their natural language as the main reason why these children are prevent from gaining an education is only slightly simplistic.  There are at least 20 contributing reasons why deaf children receive poor educations.

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From: "lizbrading@ comcast. net" <lizbrading@ comcast. net>

To: DeafHOH-Adoption@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Sun, January 24, 2010 8:57:17 AM

Subject: Re: [DeafHOH-Adoption] Re: Do Your Children Use Their Voices?

Hello-

It saddens me to see discussions of comparing deaf children to animals. They are not animals, but wonderful human beings who are prevented from learning their natural language (sign language) and are let down by the current oralism system.

Liz

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From: "ColleenH" <cibisylvan@ yahoo. com>

Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 04:41:17

To: <DeafHOH-Adoption@ yahoogroups. com>

Subject: [DeafHOH-Adoption] Re: Do Your Children Use Their Voices?

Our daughter is VERY LOUD, when she doesn't have her hearing aids in.  She sounds like a herd of elephants when she goes up and down the steps and just makes noises when she is moving about.  She isn't aware she's making loud noise without her hearing aids until we cue her into it.

Colleen

--- In DeafHOH-Adoption@ yahoogroups. com, "fivekidswdisabilit ies" <5kidswdisabilities @...> wrote:

>

> I have a daughter who is profoundly deaf, adopted at the age of 7.  She has never talked, but screeches when she wants something.  It is a high pitched screech like nails on a chalkboard.  She has had speech therapy which has not helped.  She is in a school with students and teachers who are deaf, so they do not hear her voice, so it does not bother them.  I try to tell her to "turn her voice down" but she seems to have no control over it.  Other than that, she is a perfectly "normal" 13 year old who is fluent in ASL.  Does anyone else have this situation?

> Lindsey Petersen

> http://5kidswdisabi lities.wordpress .com

>

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2. "Deaf friendly" orphan conference.
    Posted by: "bbl4him" CHLFRVW@juno.com bbl4him
    Date: Mon Jan 25, 2010 12:10 pm ((PST))

I wanted you to be among the first to know...

Share His Hope 2010 an orphan care conference will be held in Asheville, NC March 19-20.  Check out all the details at http://sharehishope.eventbrite.com  Interpreters will be provided for every aspect of this conference and there will be a few presenters using ASL for their stories/sessions.  Would love to meet some of you in person.  Come join us and please tell your friends!

Becky Lloyd
Signs for Hope
chlfrvw@juno.com






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3a. Re: Helping deaf people in Haiti
    Posted by: "Julie Walkup" walkups@comcast.net juliewinmd
    Date: Mon Jan 25, 2010 12:41 pm ((PST))

Hi. I'd love to hear what other schools are doing to help people in Haiti.

Julie

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From: Julie Walkup <walkups@comcast.net>
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:18:33
To: <DeafHOH-Adoption@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [DeafHOH-Adoption] Helping deaf people in Haiti

Hello,

My heart breaks for the people of Haiti as they struggle in the midst 
of the devastation caused by the earthquake.  Like all of you, I am 
concerned for all the people affected by this tragedy, and the deaf 
people in Haiti have a special place in my heart.  Members of the PTA 
at my daughter's deaf school are organizing from fundraising events to 
support the relief efforts.  i would love to know what other 
individuals, deaf schools and deaf organizations are doing to help.

I want to let you know that I have learned of one organization, the 
Friends of Montfort, that specifically helps deaf children and elderly 
deaf people in Haiti.  I have talked with several members of their 
board of directors and am moved by their commitment to the deaf people 
of Haiti.  They have been supporting the 3 deaf schools in Haiti as 
well as a center for deaf elderly people for 15 years, and they are 
working to provide relief to them in the wake of this tragedy.  You 
may read their letter below.

Let's share thoughts on what all of us can do!

Julie Walkup


Dear Friends and Sponsors,

Thank you for your kind thoughts and prayers on behalf of the people 
of Haiti.

We are the Friends of Montfort, Inc., a 501 (c)(3) organization.  We 
are a support group for the school, Institut Montfort in Haiti, which 
is run by the Daughters of Wisdom. Institut Montfort has over six 
hundred deaf and deaf/blind children in three locations in Haiti, the 
majority are in Port Au Prince.     We have begun our work to provide 
relief for the deaf and deaf/blind children of Institut Montfort who 
are in need because of the earthquake.

We have learned that although the school in Port Au Prince has 
collapsed, the children who board there got out and are OK.  We do not 
know what the situation is with those children who went home before 
the earthquake struck.  The children and the faculty are sleeping in 
the yard.  As you can imagine, they have a myriad of needs.  The best 
way we get help to them at this time is by sending cash.  If you would 
send any checks that you can to:  Friends of Montfort, Inc.,   PO Box 
314, Merrick, New York 11566-0314.   You can be assured that every 
cent will go to the school to help the children.  Checks should be 
made to Friends of Montfort, Inc.  Since we have no significant 
overhead, virtually all of the donations we receive go directly to 
support the children.

If you have bulk supplies of food, water, medical, etc., they can be 
sent to Food for the Poor, 6401 Lyons Road, Coconut Creek, Florida, 
33073.  The label must include SOURCE CODE 72883.  Food for the Poor 
has been involved in Haiti for many years and has a way to get 
supplies in at this time.

We thank you for any assistance that you can give.  We would 
appreciate it if you would  forward this message to your friends.

May God bless you and the people of Haiti plenty,

Kathleen Collins,
President, Friends of Montfort, Inc.

http://friendsofmontfort.org/art.html

http://www.foodforthepoor.org/
 

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4a. Re: learning to sign
    Posted by: "Kel" fstbaknib@comcast.net skrpr_grl
    Date: Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:40 pm ((PST))

I'm new to this group but thought I'd answer your question. For the past 2.5 months I've been watching the Signing Times! videos with my 3 year old son we just adopted from China. I am amazed at how much sign language we all have learned as a family and how much its helped us communicated with our son. I am hoping to take an "offical" college signing language class in the future.
-Kelly

--- In DeafHOH-Adoption@yahoogroups.com, "amy_wassell" <amy_wassell@...> wrote:
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> how did YOU learn to sign?
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> i was just interested in hearing how everyone hear learned how to sign, or plan to learn
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